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Thanks for your answer Gerard but it's foundation is incorrect. If you read my first paragraph you'll see Jagger & Richards joined Jones after an ad was placed. Yes, the name of the band happened after Jagger & Richards joined, that has nothing to do with my question unless that's what you feel the definition of founder is which is really what I'm asking; does the word stretch over time or is it an 'of the moment' thing? I also don't know why age would be relevant.