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Is the word founder applicable over time?

asked 2018-07-01 15:45:01 -0500

Hello. I'm curious about the definition of the word founder and if the act of founding applies over time. This comes out of a discussion about the start of the band The Rolling Stones. Brian Jones placed the ad that started the band. Mick Jagger & Keith Richards joined Jones's band month later. A few people played some shows with them then either left or were let go within their first eight months of existence which is when the lineup solidified.

I consider Jones, and only Jones, the founder of the band but other people seem to feel the original lineup, that included a person who left very early on, are all founders of the band. I figure this is a more emotional response rather than a response to the definition of what the word founder actually is. Jones started the whole thing and other joined him or responded to his ad. I see that as Jones is the only founder. My question is does the term apply over time? Can I founder be someone who comes in later like Jagger & Richards since they are they ones who took it over and led it? Actually that leading early on was done by their manager Andrew Oldham. He set up their image but not their music which was driven by Jones.

A lot of info for a question but I just wanted you to understand why I was asking. Thank you very much.

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answered 2018-07-16 08:00:00 -0500

Thanks for your answer Gerard but it's foundation is incorrect. If you read my first paragraph you'll see Jagger & Richards joined Jones after an ad was placed. Yes, the name of the band happened after Jagger & Richards joined, that has nothing to do with my question unless that's what you feel the definition of founder is which is really what I'm asking; does the word stretch over time or is it an 'of the moment' thing? I also don't know why age would be relevant.

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According to Wikipedia, Richards and Jagger joined Jones before the ad, as they already knew him. The age has relevance, because Jones took the lead as the senior and more experienced of the three when he placed the ad and thought of the name. Thus, all three were founder members 'of the moment'.

Gerard Cheshire gravatar imageGerard Cheshire ( 2018-07-18 13:08:52 -0500 )edit

answered 2018-07-16 02:28:12 -0500

Gerard Cheshire gravatar image

More precisely, Jones, Richards and Jagger had already formed a practice band by the time the name "The Rolling Stones" was conceived. Jones used the name to advertise for further members to complete the lineup. So, it seems reasonable to conclude that all three were founder members, even though Jones thought of the name and was more proactive, as he was slightly older.

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